During this podcast episode, Rachelle chats with Karen Riordan, CEO of the Greater Williamsburg Chamber & Tourism Alliance, about the culinary scene and tasting trail in Williamsburg, Virginia, and the surrounding area. This is where America’s first beer was brewed, and the first documented Thanksgiving took place.
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America’s First Thanksgiving Meal
Rachelle: Welcome back to The Travel Bite. In continuing without fall series, today we’re gonna talk about thanksgiving specifically the very first thanksgiving and actually it wasn’t in Plymouth, it was in Williamsburg. Karen is with the Greater Williamsburg Chamber and she’s gonna tell us a bit more about what the very first thanksgiving was like, what kind of foods they had which I think you’ll find surprising because it’s not what you’d expect. But they have lots of other fall foods too, some great wine, some amazing beers. So, she’s gonna tell us all about the delicious things and about the history of Williamsburg area. But before we get started, I do wanna say thank you to our podcast sponsor. It’s Marcus by Goldman Sachs. They offer fixed interest rates and monthly payment options tailored to you with no fees. It’s kind of like a credit card but not really because most credit cards have sign up fees and they have no sign up fees, they have no prepayment fees, they have no late fees, they have no fees, ever. So, definitely check it out. You can look at some of their loan options at marcus.com and they can help you in the cycle of high interest credit card debt which is a very important especially as we get into the holidays season. But for now, let’s talk to Karen about Williamsburg.
Rachelle: Today’s guest is Karen. She’s President and CEO of the Greater Williamsburg Chamber & Tourism Alliance. Her passions include traveling, reading travel magazines cover to cover, and all things made of chocolates. We have a lot in common [laughs]. She’s here today to talk to us more about the culinary scene and tasting trail in the Greater Williamsburg area. It’s actually where America’s first beer was brewed and the first documented Thanksgiving took place. So, I’m so excited to hear more! So, welcome to the show.
Karen: Thank you so much. I’m happy to be with you.
Rachelle: So, tell us a little bit about your background. Where are you originally from and what’s your favorite fall memory?
Karen: I am a Bostonian actually. I was raised on the border of Massachusetts and Rhode Island. I went to school in Boston College and was raised there. And so, not surprisingly, most of my memories are very new England. I would say my… probably my favorite fall memory when I wasn’t praying for the Red Sox to do well which [laughs] they are, it was actually raking leaves. I know that sounds crazy but I love the fall colors. We used to go to New Hampshire and Vermont to see, you know, the fall foliage since it was in our backyard. And I love just at home raking the leaves and getting them in the huge piles and we used to actually stuff pumpkins and make ghost and scarecrows and all those fun things with all clothes that Mom and Dad would give us. So, we didn’t know we were actually doing chores, we thought we were having fun raking leaves. But that’s a lot of fun.
Rachelle: We used to do that too. I grew up in Maryland and I was too young to rake leaves but I remember jumping in them and playing with them and you’d get one down in your shirt and it would itch and [laughs]. And then, we’d make a scarecrow too. We would do the same thing and I put it on a porch and if anybody didn’t know it was scarecrow, it would really scare them because it was like, somebody is staying on the porch [laughs].
Karen: Yeah, it’s a lot of fun. And I think one big surprise for me moving here to Virginia two years ago was that we do have fall foliage here. It’s obviously different, the climate is different than New England but there’s still a really pretty array of colors and there are still leaves to rake. But mercifully, there’s a lot less snow to shovel which is a good thing for me. I was not a big fan of shoveling the snow.
Rachelle: We get leaves to rake here in Florida too, but it’s usually in February and we call it “Florida Snow.” It’s all the Oak tree leaves [laughs] and they’re not as fun as fall foliage up north.
Karen: Yeah, yeah, but still needs to be done, keeping them tidy [laughs].
A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON WILLIAMSBURG
Rachelle: So, for listeners that are unfamiliar with Williamsburg or maybe just to jog their memory, because I know we probably all heard about Williamsburg in the US history class [laughs]. Remind us exactly where you’re located and maybe give us a little bit of the area’s history.
Karen: Williamsburg is actually located about 45 miles south of the capital of Virginia, Richmond. We’re actually nestled between the York River, the James River, and then there’s another Native American named river called the Chickahominy. And then, just about an hour south of us is a wonderful place called Virginia Beach. So, we kind of have a little bit of everything. We can get up to the capital to Richmond, but we also have our neighbors to the South at Virginia Beach if you need that ocean fix.
Rachelle: Cool, very cool.
Karen: We are kind of a neat area and, of course, as you said the reason, it’s covered in American history classes is that really is known as one of those seminal places. Like Philadelphia, or like Boston associated with the American revolution. And even predating that, of course, this is really the place where the first English settlers really came and had a permanent English settlement.
So, yes, there’s Roanoke and things like that but this was the place where the Virginia Company wanted to settle. There is a lot of gold here but they actually arrived in 1607. And it’s really amazing in terms of the amount of history that we have here starting with Jamestown and then Yorktown, the battlefield about 25 miles away is the place where the American revolutionary war was won, that was the last battle in which General Cornwallis surrendered to George Washington.
I was talking recently to a group from Britain and they’re not as fond of Yorktown as they are of Williamsburg. I wonder why. Their favorite is Williamsburg because, of course, colonial Williamsburg was created by John D. Rockefeller. And when that burst on to the scene in the 1940s here in Virginia, it became a sensation, where essentially, they’ve recreated what it would have been like to live here in the 18th century.
So, it’s really America’s number one living history museum where you can go through outside, inside, look around, talk to the interpreters, do a lot of different things to kind of put yourself back into what would it been like to live here during that time. People really love that, and we do get a lot of school groups.
But it’s really pretty amazing now to see how with the advances and technology now one of the most popular things to do at Colonial Williamsburg is to actually use a mobile app and play a game that gives you clues. And so, you see a lot of teenagers, a lot of college students, playing this game where they are getting clues to win prizes. So, they’re learning history but they don’t realize that they think they’re playing a video game and having fun which I think is pretty cool.
Rachelle: That’s very cool.
Rachelle: You make it fun and they’re learning history and they have no idea. [Laughs]
Karen: Exactly. They’re running around and they’re getting exercise at the same time.
Rachelle: That’s a great idea.
Karen: Yeah. It’s really kind of need to see how they can use technology to bring something that that’s old true life.
WILLIAMSBURG AND COLONIAL ERA FOODS
Rachelle: Growing up at Maryland, I remember visiting as a kid and I was pretty young, I think we went for a 4th of July celebration because I remember seeing the fireworks. And I don’t remember what it’s called and I don’t even know if it’s still there today but I remember getting like this chewing stick, and I don’t know if that’s what they used to use to brush their teeth or if it was, you know, just like a… I don’t know, a snack but it was like a stick that you’d chew and it was slightly sweet. But I just remember getting that and loving it.
Karen: Yes. They still have that and they also have the chocolate what they called chocolate at the time which is kind of bitter, it tastes more like cocoa and that’s sold as a stick too and the kids really do like that just because it’s a novelty and kind of interesting. And another kind of standby favorite is there is a famous ginger cookie that was always baked here and just recently Colonial Williamsburg brought that back. So, as you’re walking the streets, you can buy one of the ginger cookies that is baked in one of the colonial homes and it smells good, tastes good, and is something that they did make and eat during that time. It’s a great way to connect and have people eating something that harkens back 400 years ago.
AMERICA’S FIRST BEER AT HISTORIC JAMESTOWN
Rachelle: That’s fantastic. So, what about the first beer? I know we mentioned that earlier and was the very first beer brewed there?
Karen: There’s some really exciting archaeological things happening at historic Jamestown which is the island where the settlement actually was. And Dr. Bill Kelso and the team out there have been written up many times in National Geographic and Smithsonian for the very interesting finds and what are the newest finds.
Two things, one was a grill, so we could perhaps date the first barbecue in the US. But the one that has all the local is really happy is that they have uncovered all the makings for what would have been a brewery. And they’ve actually found a yeast and were actually working to be able to do something a little Jurassic Park-ish. They actually used some of that yeast from 400 years ago with some pure water and be able to brew beer that would again harken back to what they were brewing 400 years ago.
We also know that beer was the number one thing that English brought with them as their primary drink because they were terrified to drink the water with good reason. And so, beer was very popular and then, of course, one of my favorites wine, they did bring a lot of different varieties of grapes, trying to grow them from Europe. Here, they weren’t entirely successful but they love their wine and they did all kind of has as mandated settlers to be growing grapes to press into wine.
Rachelle: That’s fantastic. And what a great legacy to have too if you guys have the yeast and were able to recreate beer from it. I mean, that’s really cool. I’d be interested in tasting that. I’m little fearful like it’s gonna taste 400 years ago, I guess not [laughs].
Karen: I can wait to see someone else taste it first and then… yeah, and see how it goes. But just again very exciting, really amazing, some of the things they’ve been able to find to archeology and it seems like every time I bring, I have 15-year old, and every time we go over there, they’re unearthing something else that’s pretty amazing.
Rachelle: That’s so cool.
Karen: But as they said, the beer craze just really got all the local as well as tourist really, really happy to hear like, wow.
Rachelle: Yeah, I bet!
Karen: Something that we love today, they loved back then and it’s kind of cool to see that. I think there’s also some digs on the campus of the College of William and Mary that are also associated with that. So, they’re actually looking at both sides which are only a few miles apart.
Karen: I think that those colleges students were addicted to beer even way back then [laughs].
Rachelle: Of course, of course. And who would wanna drink the water when there’s beer available? [Laughs]
Karen: Absolutely. So, I first would like to think of Thomas Jefferson as learning from teachers, there’s a famous building on the campus which is the Christopher Wren building that was designed by the famous English Architect Christopher Wren. It’s the oldest college building in America and they take you upon to the second floor and show you sort of the study halls and where they would meet and they can actually document that there is one room where Thomas Jefferson studied. In my mind when I’m up there looking at that room, I can think, wow … and then you’d go downstairs and then up to the right, and there’s probably where he’d go drink a beer.
Rachelle: Wow. I love walking into museums and historic buildings like that where you kind of feel like you’re in history or you’re immersed in history and just imagine what it was like. So, that’s very cool.
So, what other locally produced foods are you guys known for besides beer and wine? [Laughs]
Karen: Beer and wine, you know, we’ve got the beverages set. I think it’s kind of interesting. We really, you know, the English settlers spot over pigs. And so, ham has been a big part of the Virginia tradition, you know, pretty much from the beginning. And in fact, there are some claim that we were probably the first free range because they really didn’t even fence-in the animals, they basically just brought them here from England and kind of let them go around free range.
Eating what they could in the forest and the woods and so ham has become sort of a staple of the diet and the menu and something more quite know for that was a way back when. And then, peanuts is another one. It’s extremely popular here today. It’s not, you know, quite on the scale of the Georgia peanut but you see a lot of recipes that again go back to that era and few things like peanut soup which is something you have to try at least one. And it’s really interesting, it’s not that it sticks the roof of your mouth. It’s not like, you know, eating a spoonful of peanut butter. But again, it’s because peanuts were stable and of course, just tons of fresh fish.
So, oysters are still a big, big part of our economy. We’re right off the Chesapeake so just like Maryland and just like upper, you know, DC and that part of Virginia down here, oysters are pretty much rural and very, very popular and they were back then. And then, all sorts of fish in the Chesapeake. So, that’s what we think they’re diet would have been at that time and you know. And then, they just grew a lot of their own fresh vegetables. We have actually at Colonial Williamsburg, they still ten gardens using again the seeds and the lineage of vegetables that would have been grown in several hundred years ago, making carrots out and radishes and squash and things like that. So, you know, very, very interesting and then they’d show you how they would have prepare it and then make it into a modern meal that we eat today. So, yeah, a lot of the things we still like to eat or many of this table things that they were eating back when they first got here.
Rachelle: I love it. I definitely wanna try the peanut soup. It kind of reminds me and I’m sure they weren’t doing this then like of an Asian like style peanut soup or peanut sauce or [crosstalk]. Yeah, yeah. So, they were doing fusion before fusion had a name. [Laughs]
Karen: Yeah, they didn’t know it. They didn’t knew, hey, we have this. What can we make with it? We’re hungry.
Rachelle: Yeah, for sure, for sure.
Karen: Yeah, yeah. It’s kind of cool.
Rachelle: It’s very cool. So, does the tasting trail take you through some of these things? Is there a particular map around where people can go and try some of these old colonial foods or some of the locally grown foods too?
Karen: Well, the tasting trail right now is just spirit. So, by that, I mean, it is… it’s whine, it’s way right around the whole historic area, the colonial area that is being a part of Williamsburg and then there’s area that we call Greater Williamsburg. The two counties sit right around at James City County, and your county. And on the trail right now is the Williamsburg Winery and what we call the Colonial line trail. So, that leads through beautiful country, you know, going from our area in Greater Williamsburg actually up a little North towards Richmond. So, that’s just a really pretty endeavor and has four wineries right now on that colonial line trail. And then, there are three craft brewers that are all opened up within the last 10 years, some as recently as last year but our oldest has been opened about a decade. So, we’ve got some just a superb craft beer being brewed by those three breweries. We now have two distilleries making whisky, making bourbon, really great. So, it’s not just Mount Vernon doing that up to the North but that’s again part of the heritage of this area. And so, we have Copper Fox Distillery and Williamsburg Distillery. And then, we’ve opened the meatery on the trail so for those people who’ve ever tried meat which is made out of honey, it taste a little bit more like a wine, it’s actually quite nice. And so, the only thing we’re looking at right now to add to our rail with the cidery which, of course, is also really popular all over the US. So, it’s a really neat trail which just kind of formed in the last year and people love it. There’s a map on our website, you can sort of click on and the nice thing is how relatively close they are to each other. It’s not a situation like in California where you say, oh, I wanna go to A and then I drive two hours to go to B [crosstalk] within about 15 minutes of each other.
Karen: So, that’s kind of nice and certainly kind of a fun thing to do in the fall or the spring or after you kind of had your feel of roller coasters or going through some of the history museums and you’re just saying like, I just wanna do something relaxing and fun. So, we’re getting a lot of great feedback that people will try like maybe one or two things on the trail and then plan to come back another time maybe in the spring and knock off another one or two things on the trail.
Rachelle: Very cool.
Rachelle: Since it’s mostly a spirits and things you’ve said, are there any colonial area taverns or pubs that are still around?
Karen: Absolutely. So, in historic area, we still have the King’s Arms Tavern, the Christiana Campbell’s Tavern, the Raleigh Tavern is really, really important. That’s where people like Patrick Henry used to hang out and be a rabble-rouser and talked about revolution. And so, you can still go into those taverns today and order a beer, order peanut soup, have a salad, you know, get a sandwich, and kind of put yourself back into that area. So, that whole mindset. So, the taverns are still alive and well and very popular. And then, of course, we’ve got a pretty nice flourishing, you know, dining scene that kind of fits in between all of those beverages on the tasting trail. So, it’s all really compact which makes that I think nice for locals as well as visitors to kind of get out and, you know, partake of as much or as little as they want at.
Rachelle: I love it, I love it. I would be definitely be interested in visiting some of the historic taverns. I think that would be very cool to have a beer where some, you know, noble folks in history have also had a beer and I love that you call him rabble-rousers [laughs]. It’s really fun. It’s really fun.
Karen: Well, they definitely were instigators and you’re right, I took my aunt and uncles who live in Bradenton, Florida. They were up here visiting this summer and we took them to a couple of the different taverns and they just loved it. They, you know, they just thought, wow, this was such a unique experience, you know, you can eat on anywhere but this is, you know, this is different. And so, they really enjoyed it. We went to one and then we decided, well, we need to go to another one [crosstalk]. That was a really popular part of their trip.
Rachelle: Yeah, for sure.
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Rachelle: So, since autumn, it’s such a great time here to visit and we’ve got Thanksgiving coming up. You guys had the first documented Thanksgiving, I believe.
Karen: That is correct.
Rachelle: Let’s talk about that. Where was it?
Karen: Yeah. It was at a place called Berkeley Plantation which is not that far from Jamestown. And we have actually people still here with us in the community, business leaders who, it was their family who was at that first original English Thanksgiving, that’s the one that we can document that happened, you know. Back again, before the pilgrims, so as you know, we kind of have this mythology of Plymouth and just on the side, I actually live in Plymouth for three years when I was growing up.
Karen: I would try to boost in so I feel like I knew Plimoth Plantation and Sturbridge Village and the Mayflower and that, you know, pretty well. And that’s all amazing history but this was happening a good ten years before the pilgrims had even set foot in Massachusetts where they came together.
That first documented Thanksgiving was really more of a religious ceremony and was more of actually cultures coming together because it was the English, it was the African slaves that were here because they were here in a pretty early on in the history of America, and then the native Americans. And so, they came together to actually gave thanks. The English from a perspective of having a safe journey and, you know, being here but also they gave thanks for the help that the Native Americans gave them because most of them would not have survived that first year too without the aid and assistance. So, it’s kind of, you know, really interesting to see that. And then, it grew from there and, you know, these crops grew and then they had, you know, more animals. And so for then, it wasn’t until much later that Thanksgiving became what we all think of it today
For me and my family, it’s the ultimate food feast, one of my favorite holidays because it’s not so much about presents, it’s all about food and so forth. And so, it’s kind of interesting that the first documented Thanksgiving, it wasn’t really about eating a big feast that day but we do know from documents that they were eating things probably more likely to have been eating oysters, fish coming out of the sea — anything from sturgeon, croaker, flounder. And then they would have had some sheep and some pigs, and probably would have, you know, then eating some of those things along with the seasonal foods and vegetables. so, you know, one of the things that we’re looking at right now is to see those dining establishments in our area that would interested in offering that kind of meal today. It might be a little bit of a deviation from, you know, what we know and love of turkey and mashed potatoes and gravy but I think it would be really elegant, beautiful, wonderful menu. So, yeah, it’s again, I think just really unusual to think that that is what they were eating 400 years ago and we could order the same kind of meal today. And it’s still with this very modern, it would be cooked and prepared very simple, it would be about having a be fresh. So, it may be local, you know, it’s everything that we, you know, value when we think about farm to table.
Karen: It was natural. It was just, they didn’t give it any name, they just said, this is what we have and plenty and, you know, and they prepared it very simply and yet, it was so fresh, it was, you know, really delicious. So, I’m personally just very intrigue about how we could, you know, go back to that, I think obviously lots of entrepreneurs in the restaurant industry also believe that that’s the way to go [crosstalk], you know, whether it’s organic or not, it’s just still very, very fresh and you don’t need a lot of extra things to make it taste wonderful because it’s just so [crosstalk] good on its own.
Rachelle: Simple and good.
Karen: Yeah, yeah.
Rachelle: I’ve heard of a lot of restaurants, a couple of Jamestown restaurants too that have doing some of these historic dinner events where they take menus and items that they can find from history and then kind of recreate it with a little bit of a modern twist, you know, probably a little bit more spices in making, you know, a bit more flavorful. But I just think it’s a fascinating way to try and immerse yourself in and experience history. It’s very cool.
Karen: Yeah, I do too. I just find that really interesting. I’m not an expert on foods in anyway but I, you know, I know what I like and I just… I think that it’s really quite innovative to kind of think about that and, you know, make a fresh pan. We’re actually working with chef Walter Staib from City Tavern in Philadelphia and he does a lot with going back and looking at recipes of, you know, what kind of pie did at Washington baked for George and then making it today. And so, it’s that same kind of idea and people just find that fascinating and it’s really interesting to say, wow, I can eat this kind of pie and know that, you know, my pie is a little bit different but they would have been, you know, enjoying it basically the same kind of thing hundreds of years ago.
Rachelle: Yeah, that’s so fascinating. And then, you’d mentioned some of the family members are still around from the original settlers there and I was thinking that would really, you know, that would really bit a pressure on you. If you married to that family and you’re like, oh, come join our family Thanksgiving through the first year and it’s like, well, my family actually experience the very first Thanksgiving and I’d be like, oh boy [laughs], let’s go [crosstalk] on to eat [laughs].
Karen: Absolutely, with the social pressure, right. Basically, yeah, they came over on the initial ships that landed in Virginia and they’re family settled here and they’ve got that tradition and I’m sure that, yes, that would be a little nerve-wrecking to married to that family [crosstalk]. You just would not be able to compete with them in terms of historical tradition [laughs]
Rachelle: No, I would not even step foot in the kitchen. I’d be like, whatever you guys wanna do [laughs].
Karen: Absolutely. You’re in charge here, help me what it is on the eating and I’ll try a little bit of everything.
Rachelle: Yeah, I love it. So, what else is Williamsburg known for besides the history and the food?
Karen: Well, in ethic, Williamsburg has changed a lot. I think Busch Garden has just celebrated its 40th anniversary here in the major theme park and a lot of people, you know, when they think about Busch Gardens, you know, like Disney, they think Florida. They don’t, you know, realize and I think this particular theme park is a little bit different than some other ones they have throughout the country because it has a European flavor to it. They have different section, they go to the Ireland section, English, German, French, that kind of thing. So, and it keeps winning year after year after year awards for its beauty. It’s really is just landscape, just a gorgeous park. It has one thing that I really value in it in a theme park, amusing park has a lot of shade, has beautiful [crosstalk]. And so, even if you’re here with your family in July and it’s hot out, it’s still a very pleasant experience. It’s such a beautiful park with flowers. And so, people really like their trails, love that park, and then they also own Sister Water Park, Water Country USA. So for those people who wanna just, you know, ride all the slides and be scared to death on some of those, some of the [inaudible 28:50] scary, that’s a lot of fun. So, I think that we’ve really kind of moved in the last, you know, decade or so into being a place that’s about family, fun, that does have that entertainment option around, you know, amusement parks and retail and dining and the tasting trail as well as, you know, still retaining that reputation for a place that’s got, you know, amazing history if that’s you’re saying. And so, between Colonial Williamsburg but also Jamestown settlements, and then we’re getting ready just in the next few months to open a new museum in Yorktown that’s been known as the Yorktown Victory Center but it will now be named the American Revolution Museum at Yorktown and it’s just a beautiful, beautiful museum right on the water overlooking the York River but more importantly overlooking the battlefield and you can see some of the redouts and you can again imagine see the canons and imagine, you know, the battle that happens right there. So, there’s just, you know, so much and a lot of people don’t realize that we have a national park in Williamsburg, it’s the Colonial National Park and it’s a parkway and it connects you so you’re driving through the parkway to beautiful scenery particularly in the fall where it’s really colorful. And, you know, you get to Yorktown and then you can drive the other end to the parkway and you’re down to Jamestown. So, it becomes sort of this major connector to this, you know, three parts of what we call the region. So, it’s just a lot to do here. As I said, I’ve been here two years and I’ve been amazed at how much there is. If you’re bored, there’s something wrong because we got just a lot of different [crosstalk] to spend your time. Yeah, again, it’s naturally a very beautiful place. They have a lot of golf courses, their golfers really love Williamsburg. A lot of resorts that way and it’s just… with the Capital Trail which finished last year and that’s a beautiful bike trial that goes from Richmond all the way down to Williamsburg. It’s again about a 50-mile trail and what I like about it is it’s an easy trail, it’s not for, you know, a world-class cycler, it’s for people like me, recreational bicyclist [crosstalk]. And this is so pretty.
Rachelle: Well, 50 miles is still pretty long. Yeah, it’s still challenging.
Karen: Yeah, which is nice so if you don’t… you don’t have to do the whole thing like you could do 10 miles down and then, you know, go back and so forth. But quite a few people, I met a couple the other day that which is coming off the trail and then they’re going on the bike lane on to Jamestown road to come in to the center of the historic area and they’re gonna look for a place to stop and get to buy to eat. So, yeah, it’s just beautiful. So, a lot of cycling, a lot paddle boarding, a lot of, you know, walking and hiking, and just a lot on the river. So, fishing is very popular, certainly canoeing, and kayaking, and things like that. So, I think that’s the part of the story that a lot of people don’t think of. They think of, oh, this all the history. That would be [crosstalk]. But I’m seeing more and more family [crosstalk]. Yeah, and they’re bringing their bikes, and they’re bringing their stuff, and they’re putting it on the back around the bike rack because they wanna be doing those things when they’re here and we can provide some access to do those kinds of things which I think really wonderful.
Rachelle: I love it, I love it. When does that museum open, the one you mentioned?
Karen: It is gonna be… they’re gonna be doing a preview October 15th to the public. and so then, the indoor gallery and this amazing surround sound movie theater is going to be open and then the full museum which will include an outside encampment that will show you how they cooked and again how they live and it was like a working farm that will be open in the spring of 2017. But the museum proper will be open in the next two weeks.
Rachelle: Awesome, awesome. It’s a lot sooner than I thought. I was thinking everything would be open next year. Cool. So, where can people read more? What’s your website and social media?
Karen: visitwilliamsburg.com is our website and that really has everything about Williamsburg, Jamestown, Yorktown, you know, way more than what I’ve mentioned today with you on that. So, that’s really the resource and then we, you know, we are on Facebook as well, Visit Williamsburg. We’re on Twitter, we have an Instagram account as well. So, but most people are visiting us either on the website or on our Facebook page which is really popular.
Rachelle: Nice. I’ll be sure to follow you on Facebook and see what’s going on. This time a year on Thanksgiving, I’ll be cooking.
Rachelle: Here at home and yeah, I’m excited.
Karen: I will be. [Laughs] I’m gonna be going to Colonial Williamsburg having them cooked for me [crosstalk], an authentic Thanksgiving dinner and I just get to strap on the feed bag and eat as much as I can possibly eat. And then, have to go for a long walk or a back ride to work it off.
Rachelle: For sure. I’m definitely gonna be… I’m gonna be looking at your Facebook page to see what that looks like and maybe plan for it next year because I think it sounds a lot of fun and my husband love cycling so I’m sure he’d love this cycling trail and especially after you eat so much [laughs], you wanna go out and go for a walk or a back ride.
Karen: Exactly [crosstalk]. You fall right in to that nap syndrome.
Rachelle: The coma, the food coma [laughs].
Rachelle: Well, thank you so much. This has been fun.
Karen: Well, thank you. I have enjoyed it and again, I hope you get a chance to come and see us. I know you did when you were younger when you were Maryland but it’s a fun place and we love it, we’re very proud of it obviously. But I look forward to having you follow us and drop me a note and if you have questions, I’d happy to answer them for you.
Rachelle: For sure, for sure. And for your listeners, that was Williamsburg… visitwilliamsburg.com if you want more information. Well, thank you so much, Karen. This has been fun.
Karen: Thank you. Have a wonderful afternoon.
Rachelle: You too.
Karen: Okay, thank you so much.